Toledo Bend

Rodney Birditt · Post by **Rodney Birditt** » Mon Feb 03, 2003 6:31 pm

This is to any of the fisherman out there that fish Toledo Bend. Since Saturdays disaster are any parts of the lake off limits due to the piece of the shuttle found in the lake? And also have any fisherman noticed any problems with either shad or fish kill that could come from the toxic chems used on the shuttle?

Thank You.......
Rodney Birditt Aka: Fishhead

catt951 · Post by **catt951** » Tue Feb 04, 2003 12:46 pm

To the best of my knowledge there are no closed areas & no toxic chemicals on Toledo Bend. You need to realize what little toxic chemicals that were on board (and I stress little) were burnt up long before they ever reached the ground. People need to realize at 38 miles in altitude & 12,500 mph the heat produced was in excess of 3,000 Fahrenheit, this is under normal conditions. There are no mysterious toxins on board the shuttle! This is a scare tactic used by NASA to keep idiots away from the fragments, so NASA could recover them to reassembly them to determine what happened. But you still had idiots picking up pieces & some even tried to sell them on the Internet!

6.54BASS · Post by **6.54BASS** » Wed Feb 05, 2003 2:11 am

Close, some of the APU's on the orbiter are run on a fuel called hydrazine, a benzine derivitive. Hydrazine is HIGHLY toxic, in my former line of work, we recieved quite a bit of training in dealing with this fuel, it is also used in the APU's on other military aircraft. Hydrazine residue, even in small quantities, can be deadly. We worked in cordon sizes in the thousands of feet when training for hydrazine spills. Rodney should be able to verify some of this info. Suffice it to say that I would rather be safe than sorry when dealing with this fuel.

johnnie crain outdoors · Wed Feb 05, 2003 3:46 am

Wow!! You guys are sharp. I've learned more off this post about the shuttle debris than I have off the news. I knew anglers were intelligent people. I have to agree, that there would be very little if any fuel or other harmful debris could have survived that disaster. As for people keeping parts of the shuttle doesn't say much for people in general, trying to make a profit innstaed of helping. Good post, great work. Johnnie

catt951 · Post by **catt951** » Wed Feb 05, 2003 1:03 pm

While this is true Bryan what do you think happened to the Hydrazine at 3,000 + degrees Fahrenheit. Here on earth toxic chemicals are desposed of by burning them up at only 1,500 degrees. Also where is the Hydrazine after falling 38+ miles to the ground?

6.54BASS · Post by **6.54BASS** » Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:44 pm

If you noticed some of the pictures on the news, one of the "tanks" (it was the round one that looked kind of like a porcupine), that was an oxygen tank, it was not charred, which leaves a VERY distinct possibility that residual fuel could easily have been in the wreckage. I have been personaly involved in the recovery of downed aircraft, what is left can really amaze you. One in particular comes to mind, in part because the items recovered were personal effects of one of my friends. The aircraft in question (a Boeing 707 variant) ingested a number of geese on takeoff (full fuel load), and needless to say, didn't achieve controllable flight. The resulting fire (better than 100,000 pounds of jet fuel) left very little unburned. With that in mind, there was still a very large amount of fuel that was not burned. Oddly enough, my friend was identified by the box in his pocket which contained his wedding ring, that box was only slightly singed, but not burned. Yes, even at that speed, temperature, and altitude, there could be dangerous levels of fuel left.

catt951 · Post by **catt951** » Thu Feb 06, 2003 12:44 pm

Well said execpt for one thing, there is no fuel on board the shuttle! It's a glider! It don't have any engines to require fuel, only the APU! That fuel cell was found in tack!

6.54BASS · Post by **6.54BASS** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 12:10 am

Actually it does have engines, they are used on take off, the big orange tank supplies the fuel to them. They are shut off when the orbiter reaches it's required altitude, there is still fuel in those engines. Look at a picture of one of the shuttles, you can see the nozzles in the back.

Rodney Birditt · Post by **Rodney Birditt** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 3:39 am

ATTENTION GENTLEMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With all the fussing over this toxic and that toxic on shuttle I've had to do the homework myself no thanks to you Toledo Bend fisherman. Fact!!!!! TOLEDO BEND IN CERTAIN AREAS REMAIN FEDERALLY OFF LIMITS DUE TO SHUTTLE ACCIDENT..............This will remain in effect indefinately until futher notice jepordizing BASSMASTER Practice starting Feb 17, 2003.........
If anyone interested in this article go to www.bassfan.com there you can read it after clicking on the article about no no. 3..........Again quit fussing can't we all just get along... No need to get mad and argue looks childish to people reading these post.....We have to set examples when your a prostaff......

Thank You
Rodney Birditt Aka: Fishhead

catt951 · Post by **catt951** » Fri Feb 07, 2003 1:00 pm

LOL! The Shuttle is piggy backed on a Tritan missle, it has no engines. Those orange tanks are fuel cell for the missle and it is not jet fuel on board. The shuttle glides back down and then is piggy backed on board a Boeing aircraft to the maintance hanger. I'm not pissed! I'm tired of the news and others making statements about this crash who have no insight about the aerospace industry. I have 15 years in this industry working for Boeing, Northrop/Grumman (who built the shuttle), & now European Aero Defense Systems (EADS) owners of AirBus Industries. The facility I work at is the 3rd alternate landing site for the shuttle. I suggest you search the web for information on the shuttle if you don't beleive me. Other than that let's go to the lake, I here outside the closed area's they are killing them on Rat-L-Traps & Spinnerbaits. Any one want to go!